Stuart Adamson R.I.P.

Sorry to start the year off on a downer, but I just found out that Stuart Adamson, lead singer of Scottish band Big Country, was found dead in a hotel room in Honolulu on December 20. He’d struggled with alcoholism but until recently had been sober for more than a decade. Big Country were always considered a bit of a one hit wonder here in North America, but in reality they had a string of solid albums and Adamson was clearly a gifted songwriter. What is it about the music industry that chews people up so predictably?

77 thoughts on “Stuart Adamson R.I.P.”

  1. I saw Big Country at Mississippi Nights in St.Louis in the early eighties and during the performance of In a Big Country a scuffle broke out between a couple of blokes and Stuart halted the song and told the culprits to make peace or else the concert was over, they did make peace and the song was started over. I consider Stuart a John Lennon or Martin Lee Gore, Elton John, or Shakespeare,Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens or any other famous English entertainer. He is definetely an influence as I am a musician and have songs that are accredited to him. I am very saddened by his loss but I know in the world of the music we love we have lost many heroes. Michael Hutchence went the same way. Bon Scott had troubles with alcohol. David Gahan is still with us I hope is away from heroin. Senseless murder of John Lennon. Another integral, pivotal hero along with George. Even in America we had Jim, Jimi, Janis. Can anybody tell me where Stuart’s grave is? I’d love to lay those roses on it. Peace be with you. The Crossing beckons your response.

  2. I got into big country when they first started and have loved them ever since.
    Stuart was one of the most interesting songwriters ever,there`s a song on buffalo skinners called seven waves which has a line which says:I don`t think too much i don`t look inside.Well i think that`s a contradiction because it`s obvious stu did think deep,maybe too deep.
    When i`m slamming my drums along to buffalo skinners a shiver runs down my spine.miss u stu.

  3. I have been a fan of Big Country since 1985, and have had the same psychiatric problems as Stuart. Although driven by similar circumstances, I have not came to the same decision to end my life (I have came close, although I feel that these attempts have been a cry for help). Stuart Adamson was a man I both respected and idolised. There will never be another like him for me, but his music will live on in the hearts of many. “Stay Alive” was the ‘catchphrase’ he used. It is such a shame that he never lived by the philosophies that came across in his music and lyrics.

    Peace and love to all.

  4. I just bought the best of Big Country tonight and felt the need to check out their website. I haven’t kept track of the band since I last bought an album over 10 years ago. So the news of Adamson’s death is embarassingly enough, over 1 year later for me. I am hugely disappointed and hearing this in the wake of Joe Strummer makes me sick.

  5. Well his name was Mr. Stuart Adamson
    And he played guitar potpourri,
    Now he is gone but he’ll not be forgotten
    Nor his like will we ever see.


  6. Big Country was a refreshing band while I was an adolescent during the 1980s. It was music that mattered. I was a working class kid and I could identify with alot of their music (even though my dad was not a coal miner, but rather a janitor). Big Country certainly appealed to me rather than the likes of the forgettable band that performed the song “Don’t you want me Baby,” and other “glossy” 80s bands with no substance.

    However, I lost touch with Big Country in the early 90s – “I was a working class kid trying to get out of the working class rut;” ie. I went to university, but I also stopped listening to music, because I was too busy studying. I regret this. And I now regret not following Big Country over the years. One can have many years of one’s life “getting out of a rut,” but one can also have music that matters.

    I’ve started again; listening to music that matters; and I’m really saddened to hear that Stuart Adamson has passed away; as I just found out. Their music matters.

  7. I saw Big Country in 1990 at the Trip to Tip concert in Ireland I was up front and had a great time I managed to shake Stuarts hand so was very shocked to hear of his passing as he is a big influence on my life not only in a musical way he got me to travell and to where but only Scotland.
    Thank you Stuart for the brief meeting at an important time in my life 13 years ago.

  8. I have only just heard myself of Stuarts untimely death. If anyone ever asked me who my favorite band was i would always say Big Country, I was a mere teen when the skids were around and grew up loving Big Country’s “CelticRock” sound.

    I moved to Belfast in 2000 and due to bad financial circumstances missed the only chance to see my band before they “retired”. On mentioning that to my boyfriend tonight it was then he told me of Stuarts death as he had found out yesterday himself.

    We have heard they will be coming back over here soon and i would hope to have the chance to hear them but its so sad, i feel that i’ve lost a friend. His voice and songs touched my heart throughout my life and i will always think of him with fond memories whenever i hear any of their songs.

  9. Stuart passed away… first I couldn’t believe it. He was always so enthousiastic on stage.
    In 1999 I travelled from Belgium to Scotland to see them live in Stirling and they were so good, still so powerfull, full of energy!
    Everything fits in their work; the lyrics that made sense, the harmony in their music.
    It’s now already a year ago, and still I feel very sad about it. The music of Big Country used to give me strength and made me feel good, now I have ambiguous feelings listening to it.
    But Stuart will live on in the timeless music he wrote, he will never be forgotten and lives on in the hearts of a lot of people…
    Thanks Stuart,

  10. I listened to Big Country throughout high school, introduced by a friend. My favorite band while growing up. They changed my life and were present during the changes in my life.
    I used to listen to them for hours on long road trips.
    When I graduated from Basic Training in the army, “Peace in Our Time” had been released and I was reunited with my favorite band and immediately purchased the tape and a walkman. The new sound of Big Country and the new me from the Army. A bit ironic given their anti war sentiments that I had joined the Army.
    I took their music with me to the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm and their lyrics never meant more to me than at that point.
    Now they are more valuable and I can see the wisdom in those words.
    I pray for Stuart and I hope he is in a better place.

  11. The words from “Just a Shadow” were prophetic:

    “I know there is no need for what’s been done
    I know there is enough for everyone
    Frustration brings a heavy hand to bear
    And there never is a hand outside that cares”

    “It all seemed fine for you
    Till the struggle of ambition turned in violence upon you
    Sometimes a landslide comes
    If you’re hiding in that avalanche you need a place to run”

    “It’s just a shadow of the man you should be
    Like a garden in the forest that the world will never see
    You have no thought of answers only questions to be filled
    And it feels like hell”

    Please excuse me for quoting out of order. It felt better that way.

    There were three bands in my life that I felt formed who I am; Big Country was one of those. I know I may be a little slow these days, but I just found out yesterday about what happened to Stuart. I’m blubbering.

    I moved from Aberdeen, Scotland to the US as well, all the while following the band’s progress in the industry. I have three copies of The Crossing and two of Steeltown. I thought it unusual that they would come in different colors in different countries, but they did.

    There is a void in my heart that this band once filled. Stuart, I hope you will once again serenade me through all of my days when I meet you in heaven.


  12. During dark times in my life the lyrics and tunes of Stuart Adamson kept me alive. These days I put ‘The Crossing’ or ‘The Seer’ on very loud in my house and I find its my children telling me to keep the noise down. Pure joy. Thanks Stuart ‘Rock in Peace’

  13. So so sad. Even now some years after his untimely death I still mourn his departure from this world. He bought such joy and hapiness to our family and I am privelidged to have seen BC on many ocassions. The hairs stand up on my neck whenever I think of the concerts we attended.

    I feel so sorry for his kids who will, I am sure, still be missing him and will never fully appreciate how his music affected so many lives.

    Rest in Peace Stuart and may your ebow have found it’s way to heaven.

    Mark Trapani

  14. Even though I personally never knew you, nor you me, I miss you greatly.
    I am so sorry that there was no one there for you at the time when you most needed a friend.
    Your music comforted me at a time when my world was disintegrating and got me through. I wish I could have been there for you! Everything turned out fine for me in the end – things are never quite as bad as they seem at the time – anyone out there in the same position, just tough it out, there is always light at the end of the tunnel – it just might be a bloody long tunnel is all!

  15. When I heard the news about Stuart’s death, I could hardly believe my ears. Such an elegant, charming, positive God loving artist. I heard about it in early 2002, at a time when I was battling out of a trauma that had happened to me in late 2000 (psychosis) and was in a state of post psychotic depression. Being a sensitive, deep artistic person same as Stuart was, I can perfectly understand how down he must have felt when he found life so unbearable as to decide to end it all. I thank God every day that I had the opportunity of travelling to the UK in 1998 and seeing them. They (including their manager Ian Grant) were appreciative enough to allow me to photograph the gig, photos which they later used on their website. The few moments I spoke to them after the gig, particularly Stuart, were extremely special, and Stuart was radiant that day, I could feel it. His lyrics gave me a sense of being in the difficult days of my early teenage, and still inspire me a great deal today. Rest in Peace Stuart, you deserve PEACE man. You will live on in our hearts and in your brilliant music.

    We Love u STU, and respect to Tony, Mark, Bruce, Ian and Stuart’s family.

  16. I just heard about Stuart’s death and words alone cannot describe the shock and pain that I feel and I believe most people who knew him or the songs that he wrote will feel the same way too. I cannot begin to comprehend what Stuart must have been going through to end his young life in such a way. Big Country meant the world to me as I was growing up. They were the only band that I was ever crazy for and they will remain the best for me. I lost track of them in the nineties and my only regret now is that I should have kept in touch with their music during these last ten years of my life. I have no doubt their uplifting music combined with down to earth lyrics would have helped me deal with life’s endless struggles better. I wish I were there for you Stuart if only you knew how much we cared, how much your music meant to us, how much your thoughts and views were treasured. How unique and talented you were. You had so much more to offer to this weary and lost world and I believe that your songs and thoughts will continue to touch and enliven the lives of many for generations to come. To me you will always be my hero for you are”like the garden in the forest that the world will never see” but we your fans love you and we know how hard you tried to make this world a better place for all of us. We will continue to fight the good fight untill we meet again.

    May the Good Lord grant you eternal rest and may His light shine upon you.


  17. I listen to Big Country allways in these darken days. Every song every vibe gets into my strings.. every time. Stuart I miss you.. I do not know what to say. I MISS YOU.

  18. I just found out about this tonite. I had not listened to Big Country for years but as a teenager growing up, they were very important to me. I’m so very sad about this, I want to cry. Stuart you will be missed. r.i.p.

  19. I feel so ashamed that more than 2 years late I have discovered that someone I truly admired as a musician and a person has passed away. How could someone who was such a positive force for others have no one that he himself could turn to in his time of need? How could we, his thousands of fans, have reached him to let him know what he meant to us? We couldn’t and I guess that is the helpless feeling most of us have.

    I had loved Big Country from the beginning. In 1989 I was a part of an international student program staying near Edinburgh, Scotland. Twice I had tickets to see Big Country at the Barrowlands in Glasgow and both times Stuart was ill and the shows were cancelled. I regret missing these shows to this day.

    If you haven’t listened to Big Country in awhile and you want to experience the sheer joy and power of music as only stuart could make, pick up a copy of Big Country Live on the King Bisquit Flower Hour. One listen and you’ll love him all over again.

    Good Bye Stuart.

  20. just wanted to say what a sad loss to the world of music,the death of stuart adamson was.The songs and music he and his band created are unique and touch so many emotions,and to me,like many others,have been a comfort,an inspiration,helped me come to terms with the reality of life and the shit it throws at you,and so much more.with much of Big Countrys music,you also have an imagery-like a video that goes with the song i think-that plays in yor head-its like you are there in the song.No music or lyrics have reached me more than those of Stuart Adamson and Big Country.I have seen them play live in concert,several times,and have collected just about all the albums released,including Stuarts last album as “the Raphaels”(i loved “learning to row”-what a beutiful song-which shows that he never lost his love for music).Im not one for missing people who i dont no well,and i never knew Stuart Adamson,yet in a way,like so many others no doupt,i felt i did know him-or a part of him,through his music and the special connection it made,so because of this i do miss him.He may have gone,but his spirit will always be there in the music he left behind.My thoughts go out to his family,who will be missing him most of all.

  21. Strange! Even though I (35) still read music magazines (well, they deal with Metal, DarkWave etc., but anyway…), the “news” of Stuart’s disappearing just happened to hit me – straight! What I am to say? It might be two weeks ago, since I’ve introduced two trainees at my enterprise to the charm of BC’s music. I told them something about the good times I connect with this specific sound … and remembered lots more (I`d prefer not to tell these youngsters). Anyway, they were impressed by the impact of BC.
    Two weeks ago, two years ago … what difference does it make? “We will all go together when we go.”

  22. Stuart was THE MOST gifted yet underated singer/songwriters of our time and he will be missed. As a young man who struggles with alcoholism myself I can more than understand his plight. GOD BLESS YOU STUART ADAMSON!!!

  23. I’m rediscovering Big Country after many years and only just read about his death. It is sad, but the best art comes from those who struggle, not the happy and contented.

    I wonder if he was a victim of the abstinence culture, promoted by the 12-step industry? The silly notion that the only route out of problem drug use is through abstinence. Far too many people are left feeling guilty and hopeless when abstinence doesn’t work for them, because they have been brainwashed into believing that it is the only way and that without it you are doomed.

    Anyone know the outcome of his second wife’s attempt to keep his entire estate for herself? Sounded like a disgusting act of greed to me.

  24. Hello, Unfortunately I was following all the details of Stuart Adamson disappearence on the Big Country website in 2001. There was just this feeling that they would not find him alive.

    Bruce Watson of the band told me in chat one day how bad off Stuart was the last time they talked, and that he had not heard from him in several weeks, and that everyone was really concerned.

    When the tragic news did come I just could not listen to their music for awhile as it was such an emotionally tough situation to deal with. This man music always dealt with caring about the plight of others, self respect, wanting a decent standard of living for all, loneliness, and yet he died all alone. I did not know him personally, yet his words and music spoke volumes about the man himself. Stuart will be missed by all those who loved him and cared, and I know now that he’s at peace at last.

    For Ian, The last I heard about his wife was that (1) it was her constant bombardment of calls to his cell phone demanding their house and business that drove him to the edge, (2) they were in discussion with lawyers about Stuarts’ assets. Without a will all would go to her under law. With all the battling most would probably go to the 2 lawyers!

    His two kids seem to have so control over what is put out, though not of any of their father’s back catalog which was sold earlier.

  25. Well how bizarre – May 24th, 2004 I just found out that Adamson was dead. I was reading Q and shouted out to the wife – “Jeez Stuart Adamson is dead”. I’m living in America (6 years now) and have only recently started buying and reading Q and Mojo again. I loved both the Skids and Big Country – but I didn’t know much about the band members. My wife is suspicious that everyone I like is dead!
    Anyway I was looking around the web for obits and more details – everything seems rather sketchy and sad – and came acros this page.
    Sorry I don’t have any insightful tales or even a great knowledge of the man and his music – I guess I’m just shocked that it would end this way for him.
    He was a year younger than I am now when he died.
    Great songs – a great loss.

  26. It all begins with a sound in your head, a disarray of word and music, an awareness of something coming to the surface. Small pieces occasionally break throughbut the whole is a mystery. take the mood, the emotion, the passion for it and make it live. Focus it all, crystalize the essence of it, let it become a living thing, share it.
    The music i felt wasn’t like the music i had grown up hearing, or rather, not like any one of them, it was all of them jumbled up and drawn into something i could understand as mine.
    I found i could play this music and connect the giutar directly to my heart, i found others who could make the same connection, who could see the music as well as play it.
    The sound made pictures, it spread out wide landscapes, great dramas were played under its turbulent skies. There was romance and reality, truth and dare. People being people, no heroes just you and me, like it always is.
    The music told stories, little stories. Lands were not conquered, treasure was left in the tombs, the magic was in the everyday. We learned how we are together and how we come apart. Life Happens.

    Stuart Adamson

    May you rest in peace and knowledge that you and your music will live with me forever.

  27. I heard “In A Big Country” on the radio a few days ago.

    As a teenager growing up in Scotland at the height of BC’s success they had a massive impression on me and remember to this day playing the album “The Crossing” for the first time (and many more times after that to the stage where I wore it out).

    Since that time, wherever I have lived in the world, there has always been a BC album in the house or in the car. After 20 years of travelling through college, work etc etc I realised that I had not maintained this important part of my collection and have just bought “Classic Big Country” which is now playing for the third time in the last two hours.

    I never had the opportunity to see BC live but recall televised performances, wondering at the power, skill and artistry of Stuart and the rest of the band, and Stuart’s wonderfully descriptive and sensitive lyrics.

    My one experience of Stuart was being on the same flight as him from London to Edinburgh in December 1999. Though I hoped to get close enough at some point to simply thank him for his music and what it had meant to me over the years, sadly I was unable.

    Not believing my recollection of his death and the unfortunate circumstances in which it happened to be true I searched the www only to have my worst thoughts confirmed when I came across this site and felt compelled to express my thanks to Stuart now.

    The music and the memory lives on!

  28. I loved the skids, loved big country. How can someone with so much to offer the world decide he has nothing to offer the world?

    There will never be another talent to match what Stuart gave us.

  29. I am deeply sadened by the news of Stuart’s death. I haven’t just found out- I finally worked up the courage to look it up on the www to confirm it. He will be sadly missed and his music will live on in my heart forever. Rest in Peace Stuart and know that you are loved.

  30. i was a big country fan since 1985 and visited stuart in scotland twice, i can say he is a very honest man but weak i guess and he had problems with alcohol and caused of this with sandra and his second wife, which was not the big help in his problems, i hope he found his peace

  31. I saw stuart adamson in my dream it was shocking because he’s gone now but not forgotten. he was so nice to me we had a date 2-gether.

  32. I have been a big country fan since the 80’s and haven’t found a group that has the talent or distinct sound that was truly theirs. I purchased Stuart’s country album supernatural and was very impressed even though I am not a country music fan. I’ve purchased the rarities albums and the final flind dvd. Stuart may be gone but his music lives on in Big Country fans like me and will be there until we all make the crossing.

  33. i know its a little late but i just want to say thank you stuart for everything,the music, the insperation,the memories,i will always be blue on a green planet,thank you god bless

    karl allen

  34. My family is in shock. We were neighbors of the Adamsons in Florida. They moved, we moved and notes stopped getting answered. Alas, now we know why.
    My daughter was just doing a search on old friends online and found this out. They were wonderful people and great fun. Our love goes out to his real family (NOT the 2nd wife).

  35. Even in the US, there are those of us who consider Big Country the best band of the ’80s–certainly the most underrated here. I was so saddened to hear of Stuart’s death almost three years ago. His lyrics make plain that he was an old soul. His music felt meaningful and true, in a way that very few other bands can match. I am pleased to see all these remarks from others who feel the same way. It’s just so sad that all his talent, and all the love and appreciation of his fans and friends, was not able to overcome his internal demons. I hope his soul has found peace and relief at last. Many of us have fought with those dark and dangerous seas, and we are frightened and saddened when we see someone like Stuart fall overboard and never find the shore.

  36. I`ve been a fan from the beginning
    Not a day goes by were i don`t think about stuart
    which would seem pretty bizarre to most folk,
    I didn`t know him personally,i never spoke to him,
    i shook his hand once at a concert and thats it!
    so WHY?? Why is he such a large part of my life?
    I don`t think i could ever really put my finger on it,put it into words.Ive never EVER cried over the death of someone i didn`t know let alone a “celebrity” but i`ve shed many tears over stuart!!
    maybe its because his music touched me so much and that i also suffer from depression!,who knows? its just so moving that so many of you feel the same way!



  37. Dear Sean,
    I understand you so deeply, I feel the same. Every fucking day I hear the music and think about Stuart. Big Country is in my heart since I was 13 years young and now I’m much older…

  38. Tamsyn, you ought to join the big country site. it’s a good way of meeting/talking to like minded people, also there’s a convention on the 4th of dec!

    you might already know this but thought I’d mention it anyway!x


  39. How more ashamed can I feel to find out just recently that the band I loved split up and then to find out that Stuart passed away. Oh my god. And I was going to find out if there are any more concerts in the future. How embarrasing for myself. What am I gonna do now ? That was such a big shock to me. At least I was able to purchase two DVDs which I watch every day on full blast. This music are my teenage years ! I don´t believe they are wiped away like this.

    Rest in peace

  40. Wow it feels like yesterday (1983 actually) that my friend and I talked another friend into going to see BC by telling him we were going to see some Scottish punk band. The show was in Burlington or somewhere out in western NJ on Rte 130. It was a small place, few hundred people, and the band was right there, right in front of you, with the wall of music rushing over you! They played every song off of The Crossing, “In a Big Country” twice, plus one Smoky Robinson song (Tracks of My Tears??) What a show!! Something I will never forget….Like most it was a while before finding out about Stuart, just unbelievable…..

  41. I had a cold beer today and toasted Stuart at this time, i;ve just finished watching the gig in Russia and hundreds of people in the crowd not truly knowing what he was singing but all were gripped by the music and his stage presence, a true great and great loss.

    R.I.P. Stuart

    I hope you’ve found happiness now.

  42. I didn’t know about Big Country until the beginning of 2004. A tragedy in and of itself, really – the fact that such a great band got no airplay for a new, younger generation to discover.

    I’m only eighteen, so I never would have had to opportunity to see Big Country perform live (as I would have been only fourteen during their Final Fling tour, and my mom would have never let me go over to Scotland on my own at that age), but now that I’ve become such a fan of their music, I wish I could go back in time and see them doing what they did best. With Stuart.

    I’ve been reading articles on Stuart and entries in different people’s blogs and sometimes the emotions are so powerful, I can almost remember, and I can vividly see what I never did.

    I don’t cry when celebrities die; I don’t die when people I don’t know die, but reading these encounters and memories and realising that music lost a truly brilliant and amazing individual, I feel the tears damming up in my eyes.

    Stuart will “stay alive” in our hearts and memories, and he will touch other generations. He touched me.

  43. I’ve been thinking about BC a lot recently and Stuart. First band I ever saw, Southampton, England 1983. A scuffle broke out during ‘the storm’ and Stuart picked the drunk guy out of the crowd, invited him on stage and gave him his guitar to play and said, ‘go on you do better’ Needless to say, a couple of tuneless strums and he was thrown out! Re-started the song and continued to play a memorable concert. The music was so anthemic and it was sort of life changing for me.

    Still can’t believe he’s gone 🙁

  44. Big Country are still the greatest band ever, Stuart Adamson the most poetic and inspiring man I have never known. For over 20 years now BC has filled my life with so much joy, and still do. They never toured Australia, and had few hits here, but their music and message of love and hope filled my life and set the benchmark for which I would judge all other bands. NONE come up to scratch. I Just put The Buffalo Skinners on CD in the car and driving in pure bliss. I cried more when I heard about Stuart’s death than for anybody I have actually known that has died. I was inconsolable and had to leave work. I can’t work out if that’s weird or not. Stuart, rest in peace.


  46. I just finished watching the Big Country DVD collection for the third time last night. Stuart and the band were a lot of things, obviously passionate, socially aware , intelligent and entertaining. I dont think that it gets much better than that.
    I find that the Buffalo Skinners gets more time in the CD player than anything else i own, and that isnt dismissing the rest of BC’S works , just a personal choice.
    Stuarts death was a tragedy of huge proportion, and, after watching this collection of promo clips i realise that Big Country and their music is a huge part of my life. So thanks to Stuart, Tony, Bruce and Mark for their works. I and many others appreciate it. I hope its a better place Stuart. Thanks for the tunes.

  47. For someone born and bred in Iceland, the song “Wonderland” is always going to have a special meaning. I can’t say much more, I never saw BC live but got to know The Crossing and Steeltown pretty early. My brother got the New Years Eve concert on VHS and I’m waiting for it to be DVD-ized – has it perhaps already?

    Thinking about his problems and final days, Ray Melissa quotes “Just a Shadow”. In “Lost Patrol” it says something like “There’s nothing left in here / but the stench of wine and beer”. From what I heard from an early interview, he knew exactly what he wanted to do with BC. I hope Stuart feels the same now. At least he will never be forgotten while people like you carry on (hope I’ll do my bit). If you meet any members of BC or Stuart’s family, tell them even Icelandic people listended to his music and loved it. I hope his children grow up to know what the work their father ment to so many people. Stuart was a punk-rocker in his heart I think, even though he was propably the most talented of all of them.

    Death of musicians is sometimes celebrated in twisted kind of way, Stuart going this far with the kind of problems that killed Kurt Cobain and Ian Curtis much sooner, I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves. And perhaps, his feeling of loyalty to his background and trying to leave the world better than it was before he came to influence it, isn’t what the reptiles want to hear about?

  48. it’s a sad day when your hero dies. Good to know
    we’re not alone. fellow celtic rocker,
    Del Walker.

  49. I’m really sorry and so sad to hear that Dear Mr. Stuart Adamson has left our world to go on to his ultimate destiny.

    I, like Stuart, am from the Kingdom of Fife (County Fife), too, (Largoward respectively), and losing Stuart to the fates is like losing kin.

    May the road always rise up to meet you, dear Stuart, and may peace surround you in all of your journeys.

    With Love,

    Bibi Fey McCarthy

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